What is on the Highest OT8 level in Scientology?!

"...Secrecy is the keystone of all tyranny. Not force, but secrecy... censorship. When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, 'This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know,' the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives." --Robert A. Heinlein, -If This Goes On

What is Scientology's OT8 Level all about?

Well.. The incredible COGNITIONS.... The insights, the revelation gained on OT8 is this: "I now know what I am not and am ready find out what I am" Isn't this why you joined scientology to begin with? Which of course, follows the CLEAR COGNITION Which is some version of "I MOCK UP MY OWN BANK" right-o Having been conned into mocking it up in the first place while reading Dianetics....

From The Art of Deception:

Once a person is thus duped into opening this book, the entire implication of Dianetics is to get the trusting adherent-to-be to mock up a reactive mind. How this Reactive Mind works is explained in grisly, pedantic, lugubrious, detail.

Now, after learning how this fabrication, this piece of science fiction, the 'reactive mind', purportedly works, Hubbard uses this as the program to trick you into creating your very own reactive mind.

Scientology even has the gall to promote Dianetics as "The owners manual for the mind." They claim that purported way out of this 'trap' which is life on earth as we know it, across the Bridge to Total Freedom [TM], is Dianetics and Scientology. However, if anyone did in fact get across this bridge, I assure you that you would not be reading this right now. Scientology's Bridge to Total Freedom is no more real than a theatrical production, or just a painting on the wall, of what Spiritual Freedom might be like, and for enough money, they will gladly paint you into the picture.

Instead of ability, you are given a picture of people who look able. Instead of a Bridge, you get a picture of a bridge. Instead of a "bank" or "reactive mind," you are merely tricked into painting in this part yourself. Almost like a paint-by-numbers picture. This is what creates the Scientology trap. In Scientology words, you continue to create the "reactive mind" in order to then 'audit' it. Of course all this is at great investment of your time and money.

Wait, wasn't the Clear realization basically "yeah, you made it all up anyway?" The Clear realization is my PROOF of this CONCEPT. The official Scientology [TM] Clear Cognition being "I MOCK UP MY REACTIVE MIND" or "I MOCK UP MY BANK" or "I CREATE MY BANK." The concept of the reactive mind was obviously fabricated. This is psycho-political warfare, where ideas are the weapons instead of bullets. It is essential that anyone in contact with those living under the spell of L Ron Hubbard's lies familiarize himself with these concepts, so that they might effortlessly articulate them at every opportunity, to break these good folks, once just like you and me, out of this deception-induced trance.

Instead of just saying "Scientology is evil" or "Scientology is bad," explain this to those people under the undue influence. It becomes "Scientology deceives you in this way" as described herein and elsewhere. Dianetics teaches you in grisly detail how this complicated fabrication is constructed. While you think you are learning the "secret" of the human mind, you are instead being set up to swallow Scientology as the ultimate solution for mankind. And of course "ultimate solutions" go on to make otherwise unconscionable acts possible. The "reactive mind" you are then tricked into creating, or "mocking up" is that very same 'reactive mind' that you spend years getting rid of in Scientology. Pointing out this conundrum to a scientologist would be both a potentially devastating mind warp as well as one which turns the powerful mechanics of the trap to our advantage. All of this can be explained in 'Scientology speak' in compelling fashion. Please use this while picketing them, and during any contact with their basically good folks who have been snookered. Scientologists will chant, "You haven't tried it, You won't know until you see for yourself" at anyone who dares criticize Scientology's outrageous and bogus fabrications masquerading as claims of efficacy. Scientologists say "you can't understand it except by doing it" and some people buy that. continues here:

Excerpt from: Michael Pattinson's story a "New OT8, he went across the entire "Bridge to Total Freedom and ended up at lermanet2.com.... I think it took something like 10 days to 2 weeks to get through pack #1. However, I did not miss seeing that others studying pack #2 had a skinny set of papers to study, and were not "over the moon" about what was in there....in fact they were asking questions like "where's the rest?", is this all there is? and how do I do this auditing, as it seems too simple to be all there is...?" They were suitably hushed-up by Alice, and "handled" with referral 100% to their written materials and no verbal explanations. When my time came to get the vastly POWERFUL (supposedly) N*E*W* *O*T* *8* pack #2 I was excited, but not too much any more. I had already seen other students come back from auditing it and they were mostly not much different from before... Some did exhibit big smiles and laughter, for sure, but I had seen them do that on several other auditing levels too while at Flag.

Pack#2 was indeed a skinny set of around 12 pages only. Not much "meat" to it... For details on the procedure, Ariane Jackson has already posted it to the internet years ago, so my repeating it here would be redundant and unnecessary. I am sure someone will oblige and post the relevant URL of the Google or web link for Ariane's posting. It was very accurate and complete, even if very short. --------- Arianne Jackson's description of the super duper secret level is here: -

And here is backgrounder to the Pack#2 re History of Man (LOL)

See Day 2 - pages 1 to 20 Ron Hubbard's son's testimony, Ron DeWolfe ( more RonDewolfe on this site: Newspaper interview with Ron DeWolfe HERE Sworn Affidavit by Ron DeWolfe from Flynn Litigation HERE)

Ron Dewolfe: "Then, I arrived in Phoenix, Arizona in early '52. He had just arrived from Wichita with Mary Sue. And the very first day -- the very first day I arrived, he wanted me audited immediately. But I had been -driven all night and I was eighteen years old. I knew nothing about Scientology. All I had read was Dianetics*: The Modern Science of Mental Health, and it never really interested me very much as a book when I was young. So, after about a couple of weeks there, we got involved -- he asked me to sit down on the couch, and I was high on Benzedrine, Bennies. And we started doing, quote, "research" on a book called History of Man. So, we spent a couple, three days on that. Here's the book here, The Scientology History of Man; here's a copy of it. And all the incidents -- he did a few with Mary Sue, but the majority of incidents in it were off the top of my head, as I had upwards of twenty, thirty milligrams of Bennies in me. [ Bennies = Speed = amphetamines ] Continues HERE: http://www.lermanet2.com/82cwcommission/ If you say SATAN with a lisp it comes out THETAN... A favorite part of OTIII is the little line that says, if you don't see or have any BODY THETANS, you must re-do all your previous levels at YOUR EXPENSE... For $300,000 grand these days, seems most are willing to induce perception and see The Emperor's New Clothes... of course, just as in the Childrens Fairy tale, OSA and Scientology would call anyone a fool who could not 'see' them. Arnie Lerma PS: And then theres a little line at the end of where you are running the OTIII incident, where Hubbard warns: ONLY RUN INCIDENT II UP UNTIL YOU SEE THE PICTURE OF THE PILOT SAYING "I AM MOCKING IT UP" I bet it was jaunty nautical looking pilot, like the pictures of Hubbard in his Admiral Farragut cap...hanging on the walls, getting off his withold and wondering if anyone noticed.. Yaakov Friday, March 05, 2004 - 11:31 am Investigative Reporter I have a suggestion for you. I have noticed that most of your quotes of previous posts have been incorrect. Here is a method to improve your accuracy. Click and drag your mouse over the portions of the words that you want to copy. Press and hold the Ctrl key and press the C key. This is a shortcut of the copy command. Then open up the reply window. Click in it with your mouse. Press and hold the Ctrl key and press the V key. This is a shortcut of the paste command. Then put some symbol in front of the copied text to show that you are quoting someone else. I use the ] symbol. I have seen others use the > symbol, or put the quoted text in a different color (I don’t know how to do that, though). Start a new paragraph for your words and …Voila! Correct quoting! lermanet2.com Friday, March 05, 2004 - 06:30 pm And then of course there is the CONFIDENTIAL OT8 Student Breifing.... "Jesus was a pedophile and lover of young boys" The one that Kendrick Moxon marked as a copyright infrigment, in RTC vs Lerma, Leiby, Marc Fisher, The Washington Post and Digital gateway and then Scientology's Scientologist attorney Earle Cooley explained to Judge brinkema after they changed their minds and realized they had better NOT call it a copyright fringement... he said "that just goes to show you have to have expereinced people doing the search" (of my hard disks ).. Kendrick Moxon was a 20+ year scientologist at that time... an OT7..... and he marked it as a copyright violation... The back peddling was amazing! And now it is called a "FORGERY" You see, the original 1977 version OT levels had already been repeatedly posted to the net by SCAMIZDAT... whomever that was... Scientologists were saying they were "A FORGERY"... however I recognized them from when I was a Eric Hoffer style "True Believer"..in Scientology. So I scanned and posted the Fishman Affidavit, see: and got raided and sued... see: Anyhow... So is that OT8 Student Breifing the real deal? Arnie Lerma Years later when Joe Harrington died, he said, on his deathbed "I AM SCAMIZDAT" Johnnie the P Friday, March 05, 2004 - 07:11 pm Arnie: Thank-you so much for your revealing posts on scientology's upper levels. I left the cult while I still had a "bank". Since then, I simply assumed that there was no "reactive mind" in the first place. I never wondered once about the upper levels. Now after reading your posts, I am dumbfounded. I would have thought that Hubbard would have created a course pack with a lot more complexities. Instead, what one gets is the easiest, oldest trick in the book; "You mocked-up your own 'bank'. More money please." Well, there is more to it than that, but I am trying to make this short. I think you know what I am trying to say though. Keep up the good work. I am with you all the way. lermanet2.com Friday, March 05, 2004 - 07:37 pm Thanks Johnnie the P, It isn't so much what the super dooper secret levels are about that is important, it is the FACT of it being 'secret'. As long as you don't know what rubbish they are, you will "mock up" that it must be something so amazing, so terrible, so fantastic ( I mean it MUST be something like that, or how else could doing the level make you an "OT"? And premature exposure to Xenu and the space cooties will result in your dying of pneumonia! (Ron said)... However the NY Times closed an article about the posting and the lawsuit and specifically that claim with: "....however, no epidemic has been reported." It is that induced by linguistic-trickery-mock-up, which sticks scientologists to scientology ( among other things ). Another ingredient in the glue is the promise of "OT" ... however, if there were just one OT in Scientology they wouldnt need lawyers, gag agreements etc... Scientology as a scam is much like Scientology's Scientologist "minister" Reed Slatkin's Ponzi game As long as money is flowing in the show will go on... "The show must go on" is from Carnivalman PT Barnum Compare that to Hubbard's version: "THE SUPREME TEST OF A THETAN IS THE ABILITY TO MAKE THINGS GO RIGHT" same deal... As far as "a lot more complexities.".. the complexity is getting the hundreds of thousands dollars together for all those books, E-meter, tapes (gottah keep you hypnotized with hope of the PROMISE of OT), courses, auditing rundowns, sec-checks etc...not to mention attending those Man-with-no-head pep rallys... (BIG GRIN) Sincerely Arnie Lerma 703 241 1498 Johnnie the P Friday, March 05, 2004 - 08:04 pm Arnie: Yes, you are right. You've just said everything that a lot of us have thought about and maybe forgot. Thanks for reminding us and putting it all down in words. Whether it's been said before or not; it needs to be said again and again. Yes, the "secrets"; Hubbard invoked such words on the first page of DIANETICS '55. It had an effect on me way back when I first read that book. Someone should post a couple of paragraphs from that first page. I threw out my Hubbard books years ago. I couldn't even give them away at the time. Too many people knew. Magoo Friday, March 05, 2004 - 08:33 pm Thanks, Arnie for these links! I agree, it's the secrecy that is the glue that keeps people trying. Hell, don't most people hope for ~something~ better? So when you cannot know, it keeps you figuring, "Ok, ~~this~ may have not nailed it, but there's always ____. Once I hit_____ (for me it was OT 7) and it totally didn't work, then after 7 years, I finally got it: IT JUST PLAIN DOESN'T WORK! Johnnie, you say: "I would have thought that Hubbard would have created a course pack with a lot more complexities". He did...if you ever wonder, drop by the NOTs material. There is endless BS he created to keep one stuck in the complexities, too. It is those very complexities, that once you 'get' were merely created to keep YOU on Hubbard's Road to No where.....it's then that the chips begin to fall. My best Tory/Magoo! RonIsACon Friday, March 05, 2004 - 10:34 pm The insights, the revelation gained on OT8 is this: "I now know what I am not and am ready find out what I am" Isn't this why you joined scientology to begin with? L. Ron Hubbard, HCOPL 25 February 1966: "MAKE MONEY. MAKE MORE MONEY. MAKE OTHER PEOPLE PRODUCE SO AS TO MAKE MORE MONEY." Ron Is A Con lermanet2.com Saturday, March 06, 2004 - 08:11 am Real definition of "Supressive Person" as used in Scientology: "Anyone who interferes with the continued extraction of money from rubes" RonAway Saturday, March 06, 2004 - 11:51 am I am praying for all you scientologists to wake up and find real freedom out of scientology. I know you will get upset with someone praying for you since you have been brainwashed to believe Jesus was a pedophile but you are in a church aren't you? Who is your God? L. Ron Hubbard your Slavemaster Satan with a lisp (Ron really must have gotten a laugh out of that) BodySatan Saturday, March 06, 2004 - 02:57 pm Why is there still war in the world if there are now OT 8's? Why haven't the scientologists stopped the wars in the world with their special powers? GodFinger Saturday, March 06, 2004 - 02:58 pm Good question! I wonder why they haven't found Bin Laden. RonIsACon Saturday, March 06, 2004 - 03:53 pm "I now know what I am not and am ready find out what I am" Not to forget the History of Man inclusion: L. Ron Hubbard in the introduction claimed it was "a cold blooded look at your last 60 trillion years." How could this be wrong? He also claimed his book finally proved the theory of evolution. Many engrams, for example, could be traced back to clams. The clam's big problem was that there was a conflict between the hinge that wanted to open and the hinge that wanted to close. It was easy to restimulate the engram caused by the defeat of the weaker hinge, Hubbard pronounced, by asking a pre-clear to imagine a clam on a beach opening and closing its shell very rapidly and at the same time making an opening and closing motion with thumb and forefinger. This gesture, he said, would upset large numbers of people. Ron Is A Con Godfinger Saturday, March 06, 2004 - 04:48 pm That clam thing has got to be one of most stupid things Ron has ever said. Why oh why do these brainwashed maniacs not see that? RonIsACon Saturday, March 06, 2004 - 08:56 pm What are the things members learn they are not? Can we start a list of things scientologists actually cannot do from learning, what they are not? They are: not to question the teachings of Hubbard not to give courses without charging money now allowed to discuss negatively about scientology to other scientologists not allowed to see mental health professionals not allowed to take or advocate use of psychotropic drugs not allowed to talk to family who speaks against Hubbard teachings Ron Is A Con lermanet2.com Sunday, March 07, 2004 - 09:27 am That 'clam thing' is based upon the use of benzidrene - ampthetamine - speed. Ron's son drove non stop from Wichita (after they 'decided' to leave after a wave of bad publicity: Wichita Ron's son,. L Ron Hubbard Jr, who later changed his name to Ron DeWolf to escape the Hubbard stigma... see He drove non-stop cross country, popping bennies (benzidrene) a brand of amphetamine popular back then to stay awake, bennies were also known in the 60's as 'black beauties'. He drove nonstop cross crountry between wichita kansas and Pheonix Arizona was a two lane blacktop affair... no superhighways back then... The trip would have taken days...1168.02 miles at 30 mph... or 38 hours driving time So picture this, L Ron Hubbard Jr Ron DeWolfe ... wild eyed and up for 2 DAYS driving whacked on speed.... Arrives in Pheonix.. His dad immediately starts 'auditing him' and digs up, between him and Mary Sue, all those incidents which became the core of "HISTORY OF MAN".... So History of Man is based almost entirely upon the delusional withdrawal symptoms of benzedrene which is chemically Amphetamine Sulfate related to METHEDRENE which produces psychotic episodes of paranoia during withdrawel. ----- Page 92 - Merck Chemical Index - 11th Edition Entry # 616. Amphetamine. (±)-«-Methylbenzeneethanamine; dl-«-methylphenethylamine; 1-phenyl-2-aminopropane; (phenylisopropyl)amine; p-aminopropylbenzene; racemic desoxy-nor -ephedrine; Actedron; Allodene; Adipan; Sym- patedrine; Psychedrine; Isomyn; Isoamyne; Mecodrin; Norephedrane; Novydrine; Elastonon; Ortedrine; Phene- drine; Profamina; Propisamine; Sympamine; Simpatedrin. CyH13N; mol wt 135.20. C 79.95%, H 9.69%, N 10.36%. (AMPHETAMINE) Sulfate, C18H22NZO4S, Alentol, Benzedrine, Psychoton, Simpamina. Crystals. Slightly bitter taste followed by a sensation of numbness. (AMPHETAMINE) Phosphate, CyH16NO4P, Actemin, Aktedron, Monophos, Profetamine Phosphate, Racephen, Raphetamine Phosphate. d-Form sulfate, see Dextroamphetamine Sulfate. 1-Form, levamphetamine, levamfetamine. 1-Form succinate, Cydril. Note: This is a controlled substance (stimulant) listed in the U.S. Code of Federal Regulations, Title 21 Part 1308.12 (1987). THERAP CAT: CNS (Central Nervous System) stimulant; anorexic. THERAP CAT (VET): CNS stimulant, in narcotic poisoning, anesthetic collapse, in depression from encephalitis."

------ Now the clincher... is the "CLAM" incident... All that talk about making your 'jaws' ache if you 'restimulate' the 'clam incident'.. Bollocks... One side effect of any of the amphetamine family, especially with prolonged use to stay awake, is that one will begin to clench ones teeth... so much and for so long that for days after coming off of 'speed' one's jaws will hurt like heck, and yeah your 'jaws' will hurt because they are tired from beig 'clenched' for days... Hubbard was and is a complete fraud. I guess if enough people read this screed they will have to cook up still yet another version of OT8.... Tory wrote: Arnie... Wowswers, I never knew that story. Thanks! RonIsACon...Those are great, too. You should make that a regular post on ARS, and OC. That could be posted weekly, and I bet it would help people. Thanks, also. Best! Tory/Magoo! Arnie Lerma; In the 1960's dexedrine, Smith Kline brand, a related form of amphetamine was being widely prescribed as a "diet pill" I did have occassion to take a few... and spent a memorable couple days walking through the streets of the Village in New york... One memorable sunrise was spent turning that great Square sculpure that is set on (see image lower left of this page ) it's point off Broadway, on a pivot, around and around at sunrise, with some acquaintances of Alan Ginzberg....and I recall vividly that for days after that MY jaws hurt ....sore from being clenched from the speed high...

"Truth is stranger than Fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't." Mark Twain Writing yourself into the Scientology show: In a place that stands outside of time, a certain carnival show manager is fed up and frustrated with all the refunds he has been forced to pay... You see, people that signed up for "THE HUMAN EXPERIENCE" ride have been coming back after death and bitching like hell, and ruining his good name and reputation as a purveyor of fine, detailed, entertainment for SPIRITS amongst the world of FLESH. That is, Earth... So when people started coming back and complaining: "Hey, I paid you so that I could live a lifetime in the human experience, and what did I get!?!?! "I ended up in a NUT-CULT, working like a slave in a paranoid schizoprhenic's theme park - Scientology... ' and I WANT MY MONEY BACK. So one day, he decided that although they were expensive, it was time to call "CULT BUSTERS"..... You see some of the previous Carnival repairman that had been sent got distracted and caught up in the game they had been sent to fix, some ended up joining Scientology, at least for awhile, but the sleepers are awakening... now. We were hired to come down here and clean up the show, so the complaints would end, and those that bought a ticket on the HUMAN LIFE ride, could once again LIVE IT. And, yeah, we too, have friends in high places... Do you? Arnie Lerma

***For Entertainment purposes only, not to be incorporated into Scientology Belief System as OT9, but, after all it IS Science Fiction, so you might as well write yourself into the plot...***